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(Takes a deep breath)
We obviously need to have a talk about the fact that most hackers are pretty socially liberal and personal liberty driven. That means we typically fall in line on ideals with libertarian and civil liberties organizations and pundits.
It seems that some people are just discovering that occasionally techbro and traditional libertarians push things at those orgs to an extreme that not only do we not support and have to call out, but even the good people working there object to.
You do not need to be a universal apologist for those organizations because they mostly do good stuff. It’s unbecoming. Endorsing very bad stuff and fascist enabling is in fact, super bad. It needs to be resoundingly condemned, immediately.
Frankly it’s gross, and I’m disappointed in a few of you. I donate to ACLU and EFF and I will absolutely call out their rare policies and statements which harm marginalized people.
*Walks off shaking my head at the Proton apologists*
Oh ok I’m coming back for this: deciding we are on “teams” that are infallible is basest human nature and exactly how we are falling into global nationalism and a ironclad two party system in the US. Call shit out when your friends and coworkers do it. Call your orgs out!
@hacks4pancakes I dont think I caught what happened with Proton, guess i need to go read up on it, but. What your describing here ive heard called Tribalism. Its what makes sportball fans so hateful toward eachother that it sometimes comes to violence. Its what makes political parties so polar opposite from each other. And for a lot of humanity's history its whats kept groups of people alive.
Our base nature makes us fall in line with people who think like we do. And then stick with them until something big makes us change our minds. Some of us are OK being loners and so we end up taking more objective views on these sort of things. But the bulk of the human race.. Its reallly hard to change.
Those of us who can think freely, do, in fact, as you say, need to call it out when we see it, and we need to be as vocal as we can be without also alienating ourselves from the larger tribes. Becasue if we appear to be too much "outside" of their views... Well.. we're just the opposition.
Let me be clear though, I am NOT suggesting that we all need to be OK with the most radical examples here. Just so we can somehow believe that we might change their minds. I am perfectly fine with being alienated from hate groups for example. But I think there are a lot of people who are floating right now, and maybe just need a good breeze in the right direction.
@gangrif I can explain briefly, the proton CEO has pretty much publicly come out as a fascist, even posting Nazi related symbols. When I and others have called this out, hackers have rushed to their defense because they like proton.
Patty. @pattykimura@beige.party@hacks4pancakes @gangrif I apologize in advance, I am not a tech person and so my opinion is an outsider's view, but: Do these fanboys think every CEO of every company that makes a product or service that they like, actually, personally, writes the software or connects the wires or creates and designs new ideas and inventions, and is the means of production? The conflation is not only stupid, it's dangerous authoritarian-enabling.It's like the putrid fallacy of The Great Man theory of history, that erased the complexity and cooperation of thousands of anonymous people necessary for the success of every endeavor. It's why democracy is now at great risk, because we forgot it's not single individuals who protect or change societies, it is the effort of millions of unnamed unrecognized individuals who do the hard work.
@pattykimura @gangrif look at the huge number of people who think Elon is a brilliant technologist and inventor.
@pattykimura @hacks4pancakes @gangrif
there is this myth of the genius/inventor founder. it's a total myth. with almost no exception, the "talent" founders have is promotion and getting revenue. they are far more likely to trend towards snake oil salesman rather than techie. but they are as good at selling this "vision" to actual talented techies, who wind up working for the founder. it's how things do get built, assuming there is anything substantive under the hype.
the whole VC funding model has poisoned silicon valley and much of tech.