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@Alice@beige.partyUS health insurance is like "Boner pills? Got U covered, fam."
Teeth? GTFO. You need different insurance for that.
@Alice Wut you need them luxury bones fer?
@Alice of course because how do teeth get boners?
They're already bone, and can't get boner
@Alice I feel like either way the solution is just a pair of pliers and some morphine.
@Alice it’s weird how all healthcare systems seem to downgrade the importance of being able to afford to both see properly and eat food comfortably.
@Alice "But who's going to be interested in my solid boner when my teeth are so bad?"
@mrundkvist @Alice Can confirm. All of the women I might have needed boner pills for seem to have unreasonably high standards for me having teeth. In this economy?
@mrundkvist @Alice The British won't care, just go to the UK!
Oh man, this is embarrassing. I was looking for the pills that give teeth to my boners. Am I in the wrong office?
@Alice Funny enough, it's the same in Norway.
@Alice according to dental insurance in the US wisdom teeth removal is considered a cosmetic surgery and they refuse to cover it. Then medical will only cover the operation partially.
So then your surgeon has to sell you anesthesia at whole sale because he deemed the operation with just local numbing as on par with torture.
Fuck The American Insurance companies and fuck this medical system that rather see you suffer so they can profit off you denying them.
@cosvak Can confirm. I had my wisdom teeth removed with only a shot of lidocaine. Absolute torture.
@Alice holy shit are you like, okay? My surgeon refused to do the surgery cause it was unethical to do so, which is why he sold me the anesthesia at wholesale.
I'm so sorry you had to have them removed like that, I image it's more intense and psychological damaging than the movie A SERBIAN FILM.
@cosvak OMG I haven't thought about A Serbian Film in so long.
@Alice I attribute that film for my ability to deaden myself when needed. The same night I watched that and cooled down with Human Centipede 2.
My mind is a cesspool of horrific movies both in genre and quality ;)
@Alice @cosvak Bull shit. I removed thousands of 3th molars just with Ultracain (younger sister of Lido) Patients had no pain according to them and with much lower complications.
Besides: the best and cheapest insurance for teeth is A GOOD TOOTHBRUSH. I kept saying this to all my patients for >40 years. Just fucking take care of them yourselves!!!
An insurance just for trauma is recommended.
Don’t shoot me I’m only the piano player
️ @JohanDiederik
Agree on toothbrushes.
@WestLawns And the right use of them icw interdental etc.
. My 4 children (35-42) havo zero decay. We did everything to prevent that. (their mother, my ex-wife was dental hygienist
) we wheren’t easy for them
@JohanDiederik @cosvak My experience was VERY bad. My dentist gave me a shot of lidocaine and I was like "Shouldn't I be numb? Am I supposed to feel pain, because I can feel everything and this feels very bad." I also have a high tolerance for pain, but this was unbearable.
He was pretty dismissive and was just like "it will kick in" and I was just like "oh uh okay then can we please stop and wait until that happens?"
He ignored me and continued cutting and digging away at the first tooth and finally got it out. Another wisdom tooth broke so he had to go digging around for the remainder of that. After the 3rd tooth, he went back to look at my X-rays and was like "looks like your roots are wrapped around nerves. You should have gone to an oral surgeon."
I was thinking bro, you're the one who took my X-rays and scheduled my appointment with YOU, so don't even try to pin this on me.
But I was in excruciating pain and in shock so I didn't say anything. I just got up and said I was fine with leaving the 4th wisdom tooth in place and got out of there as quickly as possible and never went back.
@Alice @JohanDiederik @cosvak Your dentist is an incompetent prick. I got all my wisdom teeth removed with local anæsthesia (intraligamentar) and I was in zero pain. I did pay for the shot, but it was like $50.
@vonxylofon @Alice @cosvak of course, almost all Third molars are removed that way (in the Netherlands). Only disabled and extreme fear persons get sedation. The costs are €91.04, shots and sutures included.
@Alice @cosvak wow! What a horrible experience. And 4 in one session? Well this can be done but afterwards it is not fine with eating and when a alveolitis occurs you are not happy. He should have studied the Xray more extensively. You always do that just for the nerve and sinuses etc.
You didn’t formulate a complaint to him? Even in the Netherland one would have done that.
It has to be said that an extraction gives a nasty feeling but no real pain should be felt.
@JohanDiederik @cosvak I was much younger and honestly didn't know enough to know if that was somehow normal and if I was just being a baby. I’m also still a very non-confrontational person, so I was just happy to get out of there. I walked home and slept it off over a long weekend and survived and didn't really think about it until some years later when I went to a new dentist for a standard exam and got X-rays and my dentist was like "You still have one wisdom tooth left. What's up with that?"
@Alice @cosvak Ohhh! That was a very bad experience for you. I am sorry to hear that. It is however not unusual that a 4 th! Molar shows up. Working in the Radiology appt. of the Amsterdam dental school as chef de Clinique we saw this fenomenen quite often. The same when I was in my own practice in Rotterdam. So it may not be to blame the first dentist. Does this help to regain a little bit of trust in dentistry as a whole? Not saying it was not a ‘forgotten’ tooth. XX
@JohanDiederik @cosvak I don’t have a problem with the dental industry. I just have a problem with that dentist. But no, it does not help me gain faith in him. He wanted to remove all 4 at the same time and the only reason he didn't is because I walked out in the middle of the procedure.
@Alice @cosvak O, I didn’t get this right. Sorry. I didn’t mean to defend this dentist. When you as a dentist decide to remove 4 in one session you have to be absolute sure the patient has had all the (right- up to date) information and understood it a 100%. Informed consent. I guess this was not done. Very sorry to hear and wise that you left the surgery.
@JohanDiederik @Alice I do brush my teeth daily and I don't know where the hostility is coming from my dental compadre.
These are OUR experiences, my roots were right on the nerves and needed all 4 taken out at the time.
I also had to literally travel across the country to get a job to get the dental to even cover some of the surgery.
Our experiences are not an indictment of the practice you run your patients experiences.
Seriously, like what is going on with yah, everything alright?
@cosvak @Alice I’m sorry hearing your experiences. It was not my intention to wave them away. Your case seems exceptional. Under good magnification (microscope) we can, with delicate instruments remove roots quite easy and a good block of aneasthesia should work 100%. I am not able to look into your treatment. There was no hostility ment by me as I am not that kind of person. As a professional I could even extract the M3 with your current POTUS. Professionally.
@JohanDiederik @Alice idk our current POTUS might deem you a witch for being able to do that haha.
You're from the Netherlands? That might explain some of the disconnect. There is a lot of shitty docs in the states that completely cut empathy out between them and their patients and will do procedures as quickly as possible to.
With insurance culture in the States with them trying to push policy like "timed procedures"
We have a system kinda encourages cruelty for efficiency sometimes
@cosvak @Alice you don’t have to explain. In de Netherlands as in most countries there are “cowboy”-docs like you describe. Unfortunately. I have ‘colleagues’ who do certain procedures in less than 1/10 th of the time experienced dentist- implantologists need. And the are still boasting they do better.
OK they have huge houses drive Hummers and other fancy cars and say they are happy and feel proud. I know better. At least I dare to look in the mirror. Who is happy?
Medical Insurance: Prescription coverage for your eyes? Only if it’s a “proper medication” but not for any assistive devices.
Insured Person: But you’ll pay for other assistive devices?
Medical Insurance: Not ALL assistive devices! Barely any assistive devices!
@Alice the way things in the US are going it, its going to be "Boner pills"? sure, dollar a dozen, no scription needed, we'll find a doctor for you before we send them, all good bro... birth control oh hell no girl, we dont cover that shit, its against gods will. hrt to make a cis person feel better about themselves, step right up, here you go, take what you need... hrt for a trans person, oh hell no, you can take yourself to canada or find an illegal method of getting them...
@Alice It’s a narrow conspiracy to try to force gummers into the zeitgeist.
@Alice Yeah, and the dental insurance doesn't even cover all dental procedures, with some requiring general health insurance.
@Alice Wait until they find out that boner pills are HRT.