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I sear to fucking christ these people do not know, or do not WANT to know, any answer but "appease fascism."

Trump is the SAME DAMN GUY he was FOUR YEARS ago; the Dems just ran SIGNIFICANTLY TO the RIGHT of where they were in 2020.

The Dems literally lost because they ran a campaign for Republicans and guess what? Your fucking BASE are NOT Republicans. It's right there in the fucking numbers and the results from both 2016 and 2020.

Anyone telling you the answer is to appeal more to the 75M fascists who backed Trump is simply looking for an excuse to make out with fascists.

PERIOD. The fucking numbers are RIGHT THERE.

Joe Biden was not a uniquely charismatic dude. Nor was his legislative record anything anyone but bougie cracker liberals would write home about. The guy wrote the fucking 1994 Crime bill, used to eulogize segregationists, and was a huge cheerleader for the disastrous Iraq War.

He won, by MILLIONS of votes, because he promised to end the wars, reign in police violence, dismantled the migrant carceral complex and punish Nazis.

What did Harris promise? YEAH NOT FUCKING THAT.

Like we have THREE elections worth of data on running against this SAME FUCKING GUY now.

Harris/Clinton: Run a campaign for Never Trump Republicans, bougie surburban crackers, rich donors, and NatSec ghouls = LOSE to a reality TV show assclown nazi.

Biden: Run a campaign for a diverse coalition containing young people, Black people, brown people, poor people, and anyone else who opposed nazis = WIN and by MILLIONS.

Fuck your narrative; it's RIGHT THERE IN THE NUMBERS AND RESULTS.

Writing op eds about what mystical forces could have caused Trump to win over so many people Trumpism is about persecuting; it's ALL BULLSHIT. You're talking about percentages of votes, so when MILLIONS of people stay HOME because you ran right of George W Bush and that's not exactly a thing DEMOCRATS AND ANTIFASCISTS WANT TO VOTE FOR, it looks like Trump GAINED in those demos. But he didn't. He's on 75M votes. You just pissed away 10M votes running for Never Trump Republicans as a Reaganite pig

Harris literally could have dusted off Biden's 2020 platform, word for word and said "I'm for these things and I'm not responsible for the fact that the guy I worked for failed to deliver them; I was Vice President and if you make me President I'll get you the goods" and she would have racked up 81+ Million votes and beat this assclown. She choose the other way, the way Hillary lost in 2016.

And I absolutely REFUSE to accept that you assclowns analyzing this election cannot see this.

So why are they lying to you? Guilt, shame? Stupid?

No, because THESE NARRATIVES they're pushing A) allow their rich donors and members of the ruling class (of which most of the party leadership belong to) to collaborate with fascists and retain control over the OPPOSITION to Trumpism, despite the fact that they've lead you to ruin.

If they ADMITTED they blew it by appeasing nazis, you'd demand people be fired and would turn on anyone COLLABORATING WITH FASCISTS for profit.

And please, ffs, stop telling me "it's racism and sexism" because I will blow my fucking stack. Let's review:

A) The existence of racism and sexism were known quantities when she was nominated; you nominated her anyway

B) Obama is a Black guy and won two terms just fine

C) Harris's 2024 platform was originally Joe Biden's 2024 platform and Biden, a WHITE IRISH DUDE, polled WORSE than Harris finished

D) Trump got 74M votes in 2020, and 75M in 2024

"racism and sexism exist" is NOT an excuse.

@farah I mean, all you're saying is "sexism exists." And I dunno how relevant that point is to this discussion.

Biden, a white irish guy, ran on the same platform and was polling WAY WORSE than Harris finished.

So if sexism was a deciding factor, we could have expect her to do worse than Biden was polling, and Trump to significantly increase his voter numbers.

Neither of those things happened.

So, no I don't think it can be both. Sexism exists. It's not WHY she lost.

@waitworry @farah I can't even accept that this could not be counteracted, because in 2020 Biden ran a platform saying "okay, we get it, we understand why you're angry and we're here to help." And he did so with NO EVIDENCE he could be trusted to keep his promises, and in fact a political track record of being reactionary/winger neoliberal swine who opposed all those things.

Result? Win, 81M votes, more than anyone had/has ever gotten in a presidential election.

@waitworry @farah Harris simply didn't give anyone who wasn't a comfy white liberal, or a Never Trumper anything to vote for. In fact, if Trump wasn't such an existential threat to so many Americans, I think she would have done WORSE because that presumed base is simply not large.

Biden lied, we all knew he was probably lying, 81M people voted on the off chance he wasn't lying.

So I can't prove a counterfactual; but I am PRETTY damn sure, she COULD have won this.

@AnarchoNinaWrites @waitworry Yes the other day I was saying, she should’ve lied about Gaza. I know it’s terrible, but it might’ve made a difference

@farah @waitworry Definitely. It wasn't the ONLY issue, but I'd bet you a shiny half dollar it was the BIGGEST one.

@farah @waitworry yes. That's precisely what I'm saying; I'm just elaborating on HOW she did that and why the result (failure) was predictable. Otw, we are saying the same thing here. Yes.