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@aral And why they arent breaking from the DNC and forming a new party just mystifies me at this point.

They would gut half the dems by the midterms..

@BlurryBits Likely because they know the moment they do the media would cast them as unelectable and the Democrats would start on their “splitting the vote” rhetoric.

@aral @BlurryBits
The media was very much complicit in killing Bernie’s campaign, particularly what passes as the liberal media (NYT, CNN, MSNBC). Chris Matthews famously attacked him as a dangerous communist, warning that his administration would have firing squads in Central Park for people like himself. And this was before all of them caved to Trump.

There is no left mainstream media. The leftist (moderate, in my view) positions are only covered by independent journalism.

@freediverx But that's my point. "They'll be attacked by the media" is so much a non-answer when it comes to these two.

Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, Ron Paul, Jill Stein.
All disruptors. None of them filled arenas in hostile territory. Not like these two.

We've never seen a legitimate off-party candidate in my lifetime. And I just don't buy it's impossible.
But, it needs to be populist.

@BlurryBits
Also interesting to remember that Obama rose as an underdog candidate propelled by grass roots organizing campaign. But then he betrayed those people by dismantling the apparatus as soon as he was elected. Literally pulled up the ladder that empowered the people.